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: 2014 Shootout Series
: bmx4life97 December 29, 2013, 01:26:52 PM
Question is will the shootout series success continue in 2014?
Interested to hear peoples thoughts?!!!
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Big Block December 29, 2013, 05:39:44 PM
Seeing how you have thrown up an open question, I guess you are asking for all opinions...good and bad.

I am looking forward the the shoutout as I do every year, for riders in SEQ it is 6 rounds of great racing, with arguably some of the hottest competition in the country.

I think the numbers may be a little low at a couple of the rounds, Toowoomba being one with it merely a week after Nerang and a decent travel for some.
Beenleigh will be another I believe that will suffer with numbers, I have heard a lot of talk about people dropping this round due to track surface and layout.
Likewise Hinterland may suffer the same being a decent drive for some and track suffering poor publicity in the past.

It's a new era for BMXSQ and I wish the new committee all the best and hope this format survives as it is a great series!
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Manic_Schizo December 29, 2013, 09:02:31 PM
Yeah, also hoping that it kicks off the year with some great events and great racing.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Cyclops December 29, 2013, 11:32:49 PM
It's a great series but could be improved by using transponders and having finals.

: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Big Block December 30, 2013, 09:12:01 AM
It's a great series but could be improved by using transponders and having finals.

I agree transponders would be great for the shootout, better still at every track, the problem is for clubs being able to afford the setup of at least $7900, perhaps our governing body could assist, and not just by offering a cheaper option?

In regards to finals, I am fine either way, with the series being in the heat of summer the 5 races are enough, you just need to look at the Beenleigh round of 2013...a very hot day.  I heard many suggest a true twilight meet, but hard with 300+ noms, especially for sprockets.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Aussieruss December 30, 2013, 11:29:10 AM
Hi Guys.

Two questions.

Is this shootout similar to the annual Victorian TrackAttack series where we race 6 race meets over a 9 day period or is it over a longer timeframe?

Are transponders normally used for open meets in QLD?
(We held our last non transponder open meet this year after riders were given 2 years notice that all future open meets events would be run by transponder in Vic)

Just curious as to if/how other states are taking advantage of technology.

Russ...



 


: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Big Block December 30, 2013, 03:57:55 PM
Hi Guys.

Two questions.

Is this shootout similar to the annual Victorian TrackAttack series where we race 6 race meets over a 9 day period or is it over a longer timeframe?

Are transponders normally used for open meets in QLD?
(We held our last non transponder open meet this year after riders were given 2 years notice that all future open meets events would be run by transponder in Vic)

Just curious as to if/how other states are taking advantage of technology.

Russ...
Russ, shootout is similar to track attack, but is held at 6 tracks over this year 10 weeks, to qualify for overall you must complete in 5 of the rounds, and 1 round has double points(randomly chosen at round 5)

I would love to see transponders here in QLD and kudos to Vic for having implemented, I know several clubs would struggle if forced down yo them....time will tell I guess what way the governing body goes here.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Munchkin December 30, 2013, 07:12:48 PM
In Vic each club had to put the loops and wiring in place, the actual timing equipment belongs to BMXV and they bring to each open.so cost to club was reasonable to install.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: race69 December 31, 2013, 11:15:54 AM
for me the shoot out series is mind numbing and boring, nothing has changed in this series for a lot of years to bring some interest to actually following this series, they had the start ramp comp but this was dropped,
yes the Victorian series is one to do but to far to travel, and the Victorian state has a great outlook on where the sport is going, look at transponders wow. didn't Queensland hire these to other clubs ?????
i have suggested changes to the shoot out series in the past but they fell on deaf ears, EG Novice (if they have to run this class) for them to run on flats, A and B finals, drop the 5 motos time trials (o sorry you need transponders for this)
But in saying this they get the numbers to this event so I may not see what other people see.   and for the committee of the day running this event for the time they did, well i don't know how they done it.
what is the biggest class in this series Pro and guess why $$$$$$$$. my boys have boxes of trophy's with only a few of their favorites on display, non of which are from the shoot outs,
well lucky they are both in Pro now and the $$$$ may drives us to attend again.   
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: bmxbandit January 05, 2014, 07:59:32 PM
A.  It does not cost $7900 to set up your club for transponders.  Most tracks can be set up for around $400.  Everything else comes in the kit that you šan arrange to use via BMXQ.

B.  transponders have been in use for at least three years in the other zones.  In C.Q for example every open day bar one has used them for the last two to three years.

It is not a question of it being difficult .  It is a change in people's thinking that is required.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Big Block January 05, 2014, 08:51:50 PM
Thanks bmxbandit

A: for me was based this information- http://bmxq.org.au/attachments/article/960/BMXQ_TransponderPresentaton2013.pdf (http://bmxq.org.au/attachments/article/960/BMXQ_TransponderPresentaton2013.pdf) 

B. Very envious, look forward to this being the case in SEQ! 

I have heard that BMXSQ had considered buy their own full setup which would be great in my opinion.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: bmxbandit January 05, 2014, 10:17:39 PM
Yes the link refers to the requirements were you to purchase a system which quite a few clubs are doing.

The sport needs to move forward by making ownership of a transponder compulsory just like carting etc.  people will whinge like mad but they don't want to stand and do lines either.

Participation at the state championships should require personal transponder ownership in say 2015, that would be a good start IMO.


: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: bigkid January 13, 2014, 08:06:17 PM
well i like the shoot series,some really tough racing and every race counts..can't wait for round 2..as for Vic.6 races in 9 days? you can have that!!!! to hard for this old fella.ha!
i guess transponders will be compulsory sooner or later.thats ok it will be good for the sport and for self development.cost is a bit high when there are a few family members involved and riding 2 classes..
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Moggy361 January 13, 2014, 11:22:42 PM
well i like the shoot series,some really tough racing and every race counts..can't wait for round 2..as for Vic.6 races in 9 days? you can have that!!!! to hard for this old fella.ha!
i guess transponders will be compulsory sooner or later.thats ok it will be good for the sport and for self development.cost is a bit high when there are a few family members involved and riding 2 classes..

You can buy a lot of zip ties for the price of a second transponder. Just use the same one on both bikes. Pine Rivers has/is installing a transponder system and will run all their events (including club nights) with transponders. You will be able to hire a transponder, byo or run without and not be scored. 
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Big Block January 14, 2014, 09:23:16 AM
well i like the shoot series,some really tough racing and every race counts..can't wait for round 2..as for Vic.6 races in 9 days? you can have that!!!! to hard for this old fella.ha!
i guess transponders will be compulsory sooner or later.thats ok it will be good for the sport and for self development.cost is a bit high when there are a few family members involved and riding 2 classes..

Rod there is also the cheaper option of yearly rental, think cost was $50 each, so after 5 uses it is free, if you assume $10 per transponder nom?
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Manic_Schizo January 14, 2014, 11:44:17 AM
I wasn't too concerned about the transponder issue at the shootout series until I was scored a 4th when I definitely was in front when we crossed the finish line. Should have been a third. No confusion when transponders being used. I have already hired a transponder. $53 for the year is very good.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Twintorque January 23, 2014, 12:11:52 AM
I question the value of the SEQ Shoot out series. Each round is a massive day, with long breaks between moto's. Gate sessions are packed, due to the huge turnout which ensures only a few rides of the track are possible before racing starts.

What it does give, is experience on different tracks and a chance for riders to mix it up with more of the faster riders in their age group between title events.

Personally, I feel experience on different tracks is best achieved by just turning up to some of their club nights; and if its stiffer competition you want between title events, race up a couple of age groups!

The whole series stinks of a money grab by BMX SQ. The days are far too long, and the racing does not seem to do much more for riders than give them 5 hot laps of a not so familiar track in a 12 hr period,
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: DSR January 23, 2014, 11:25:01 PM
I don't see how you can call it a money grab by BMX SQ, its far from it?. $11 for 5 races is the cheapest you will get all year, and you get a prize at the end. Running an event of that nature and turning moto's around in 1Hr I thought was pretty damn good with 550+ nominations.
Many parents pay $20+ nomination fees for their kids at an open day to get 3 races and miss a semi or final, this gives them a chance to race novice without the pressure of the usual faster kids, or the faster kids to race up.
There's a lot of good things about this series, great start to the year, many different ways to approach it depending on what your goals are throughout the year and what level you ride at.
Numbers prove they are doing something right. Apart from Beenleigh last year when it was 35+ degrees and not many left before 10pm, the shootout rounds since have been great in my opinion.
Not sure about your 12 hours either, maybe you allowed travel to Toowoomba? More like 8 hour window from sprocket practice to final moto.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Big Block January 23, 2014, 11:39:16 PM
Twintorque no one is forcing you to attend, you don't have to race them all, or any for that matter, I thought the speed of motos last week was great, as DSR mentioned there were a lot of nominated riders and the officials pushed the races through very well in my mind, the nomination process was very quick, I had 5 practice laps with plenty of time left over.

$11 for 5 motos is great value for money, with a gift/prize at the end for those that compete at 5 of the 6 events is far from a money grab in my eyes...now if you want my opinion on what is a money grab then look no further than the Aussies...holy hell!!

Rather than complain about the series why not front up to a committee meeting and get involved with BMXSQ, and be the change you wish to see....
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Twintorque January 27, 2014, 10:40:32 AM
You lads make it hard to have an opinion that differs from your own! Add up the total cost to ride every round then compare that to the measly awards given to the kids at the end. Compare that to an open day where awards are given for each day, and the clubs get their due from running the event, not BMXSQ. I know where I would rather see the proceeds going. When attending these rounds, one has to factor in travel time, setting up, nominating plus practice and eventually racing. It's all part of it. Each round is a VERY long day, with very little reward or incentive for younger riders.  Even after completing all the rounds. It does generate a heap of cash for BMXSQ though! Good for them.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Moggy361 January 27, 2014, 01:50:44 PM
Would some one please post a link to the results. Apparently I am too stupid to find them.  ;D >:( ;D
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Big Block January 27, 2014, 06:48:28 PM
Would some one please post a link to the results. Apparently I am too stupid to find them.  ;D >:( ;D

Jeremy, Join bmxsouthqueensland on Facebook or try this link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwsZJaWUCt4ZeUgySGFXY2N1WlU/preview?pli=1
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: bigkid January 27, 2014, 10:42:47 PM
And ezeventing...Moggy
The reward for racing the shootout is racing its self.The competition in my group is just as tough as the state titles imo and every race counts.
Little return for your money? You have to realise that if 15 kids do the 5 rounds to qualify then that is 15 prises given out not just 1st,2nd and 3rd as would be on an open day.
Each day is just as long as most open days.Thats means that bmx is alive and well in SQ.
The money rasied by this event is put back into bmx,not just pocketed.
I THINK ITS GREAT.BRING ON LOGAN.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Cyclops January 28, 2014, 02:01:06 AM
The money rasied by this event is put back into bmx,not just pocketed.
Where does the money go??  apart from the camp for the kids at Somerset dam each year.
As for the prizes, a plaque for the riders who compete five rounds costs about three dollars each.

And they still can't get the scoring right, lots of complaints about placings happening.

Queensland used to be the cutting edge of BMX but now we are falling behind. Its time to get transponders into the clubs.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Big Block January 28, 2014, 10:27:45 AM
The money rasied by this event is put back into bmx,not just pocketed.
Where does the money go??  apart from the camp for the kids at Somerset dam each year.
As for the prizes, a plaque for the riders who compete five rounds costs about three dollars each.

And they still can't get the scoring right, lots of complaints about placings happening.

Queensland used to be the cutting edge of BMX but now we are falling behind. Its time to get transponders into the clubs.

As I said in an earlier post-

"Rather than complain about the series why not front up to a committee meeting and get involved with BMXSQ, and be the change you wish to see...."
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Twintorque January 28, 2014, 06:14:47 PM
I would much rather see this series run like the NSW state series. Just nominate 6 open days on the calendar as qualifying rounds and score them at the end. That way the clubs are still raising well needed revenue from nominations, not just canteen sales, from hosting each rounds.

Big Block, I for one am reluctant to step up to be a part of an organisation that I believe is a relic of a bygone era. There is no real reason for zones in QLD, or BMXSQ as a corporate identity to exist at all in my book, but I will concede that this view is debatable to say the least, nonetheless it is my view.

Also, I don't see my or anyone else's views on this subject as complaints. I see it as quality feedback on a subject up for discussion, in an open and honest forum. this is the best way to gather feedback. Do with it as you will if you or someone you know happens to be a member of an organisation that is the subject of discussion.

BMX is doing very well in QLD, as it has traditionally however, that is due to the quality of the riders. Certainly not the competence of the governing bodies.

Edit: In hindsight that's probably a bit unfair to the volunteers who put in the hours. It's more the framework and structure of the sport in QLD, not so much the people who do a top job adhering to it.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: DSR January 30, 2014, 03:37:28 PM
I agree with Twintorque that it is a long day, but I admire the Toowoomba riders who have to travel every time rather that me just visiting twice a year.
My kids and I race BMX because we love it, not to go and win money. Its not about the prize money although depending on your age I know it is for some.
My kids would rather a Q plate or A plate rather that $50. I look at these events and see the same faces officiating and take my hat off to them for their efforts. I have been injured for 3 months, so I did my Level 1 on line, it was easy and took all of 10 minutes. I try and asist my club more while not riding, volunteered at both shootout rounds holding a flag for an hour, even with 3 kids riding. Our sport needs alot more NEW volunteers helping out it would make a massive difference. When volunteers dont get a break all day in the sun its hard not to make a mistake, but easy to sit back in the tent and complain about getting scored 4th when you came 3rd. I think Transponders would solve alot of those issues, transponders at every event would be a positive move as bmxbandit referred to, if the cost can be sensible. Maybe they should introduce - Volunteer for a moto and you get a race nomination for free, see who lines up to help out then?
You can support the events as a volunteer without signing up to a governing body.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: bigkid January 30, 2014, 11:06:27 PM
ok,Saying that the zones shouldn't exsist is a bit silly.They are the ones who try to fight for the riders.Just imagine if BMXQ was in charge of the whole state and there were no zones....Those who have been in the sport for a few years know that would be a bad thing.....
Please don't give the volunteers any grief,we need them to survive,I recon they all do a great job.Occasionly they might get something wrong but,hey,we are all human.
Like Big Block said step up and be a volunteer.Even if its a club level.
I could name a few names,if they left all at once bmx in sq would be in trouble....we need more new volunteers.
i won't go on any more...
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Moggy361 February 02, 2014, 03:08:17 PM
Who said the shootout series is dying? A record turnout in shootout history yesterday at Logan.  Tents put up everywhere. Novice classes were well subscribed. 3 gates in 35-39 20" with a top quality field. 7 gates of pro men. Top day all around and packed up to leave before 8pm.

Just a side note though. If you nom in a novice class, you should surely be riding on flat pedals?
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Manic_Schizo February 04, 2014, 10:10:00 AM
Yep, agree Moggy, was a great event. Track was great, and some great racing all day. On the flat pedals, that should be a rule for novice classes, not just an expectation. I still race on flats, and not sure I'll ever ride clips. You are well beyond novice to even considering using clip pedals in my opinion.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Manic_Schizo February 06, 2014, 10:32:13 AM
So, word on the street is that Beenleigh are fixing the last straight this Saturday. Even they realise that it is dangerous and will hamper racing. Hopefully get some flow and rhythm back into it. No need to avoid that round now for the guys that were considering it !!
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Big Block February 06, 2014, 11:20:18 AM
So, word on the street is that Beenleigh are fixing the last straight this Saturday. Even they realise that it is dangerous and will hamper racing. Hopefully get some flow and rhythm back into it. No need to avoid that round now for the guys that were considering it !!

Yes I heard the same, The Club has been fielding comments and criticism for months on the track...but think it maybe a case of too little too late!
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Manic_Schizo February 06, 2014, 12:00:29 PM
Nah, never too late to fix a problem, especially when it comes to something like a BMX track. They seem to have had issues with the track surface too since they sealed it. Hopefully we see some developments with the track in the near future. Beenleigh has had a great track there for so many years, just needs a bit of time and effort put into it. I am sure that there are club members there who feel the same way.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Cyclops February 08, 2014, 12:53:20 PM
It's done ... come over and check it out :)
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: fletch February 08, 2014, 02:14:18 PM
Any photos?? 8) 8)
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Manic_Schizo February 08, 2014, 06:01:28 PM
There are some on Facebook I think. Track is so good. Flows super nice and still allows for lots of different lines and combo's through the last straight. They fixed the second straight as well, and the surface is 100 times better that what it was. Gonna be a good shootout round.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Manic_Schizo February 08, 2014, 06:04:37 PM
https://www.facebook.com/beenleighbmxclub

Gates on Sunday afternoon if anyone is interested. Running from 3 PM. Chance to get a good ride on the freshly prepped track.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Moggy361 February 08, 2014, 07:59:26 PM
Off topic, but I see that Pine Rivers have also made some changes to their track today to make it more rideable. Good to see clubs listening to the people.
: Re: 2014 Shootout Series
: Manic_Schizo February 08, 2014, 09:31:22 PM
Yeah definitely. That is really good to hear !!