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Re: CLIPS TO BE BANNED FOR UNDER 12s (Rumour)
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2011, 07:41:38 PM »

WOW the French have a  great training program for all age riders through their national body i dont think clips on or off make a differance. they look at the big pitcure and will be a strong BMX country in years to come, also watch out for japan.
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Re: CLIPS TO BE BANNED FOR UNDER 12s (Rumour)
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2011, 09:23:59 AM »

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Post from British Cycling BMX board member on UK forum:

"At the Team Manager meeting in Valkenswaard this year, we backed a UEC proposition to UCI to ban clips for under 16's at World Champs. I've not heard that it will be effective at Birmingham"

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Re: CLIPS TO BE BANNED FOR UNDER 12s (Rumour)
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2011, 03:54:11 PM »

 Wink Clipping in is responsible for the injuries of more children , young people and
old school'rs then all the illicit What the What combined , yet more and more of
Australia's youth is taking up clipping in . In fact , over 70% of teenagers aged
between 14 and 19 admit to clipping and about one in three admit to clipping
at harmful levels , yet the problem of under-age clipping in is not being taken
seriously enough .

  Shocked clip's are bad mmm'k  Roll Eyes

There seems to be a general belief that only children from a high risk background
begin clipping in at an early age and clip to harmful levels . This is not true . The
problem is much more widespread .
Risky clip you's contributes to a significant amount of teenage injury including
falls , drownings , assaults , and of course , track trauma . So what can be done ?
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Re: CLIPS TO BE BANNED FOR UNDER 12s (Rumour)
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2011, 05:29:22 PM »

 I agree with clips being banned for 12 and under they tend to learn better skills on flats than clips just ask some of the bmx coaches .


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Re: CLIPS TO BE BANNED FOR UNDER 12s (Rumour)
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2011, 12:21:50 AM »

When I first Started Racing i was always told learn everything there is to know about BMX (Jumping, Manualling, Balancing, Snapping and even back in the day slingshoting) and then go on to clips to improve on everything you have learnt. I have seen plenty of 8 year olds jumping straight on to clips and they can even bunny hop on the SPOT! let alone being able to bunny hop on to a gutter or do a 4 metre double.

But i will admit i would never go back on to flats, I hate riding around the track unclipped and (i know this sounds weird) i have even run clips on my street bike and going dirt jumping haha Tongue

I think its up to the rider themselves, If they look confident on the bike and they can do all the skills that are needed in our great sport of ours let them try them, if they like them and they help them go faster keep them, If they hate them and would rather use flats and ride in flats.
I think banning them wouldnt be such a good idea.
Well said its up to the individual or the parents of the individual how they ride If your looking to make the sport fairer then seed rides at major events. Oh and 5.5m of roll out is about 72 gear inches about 20 gear inches high than an under 13 should be running on a bmx GET A LIFE GUYS and stop worring what everyone else is doing
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Re: CLIPS TO BE BANNED FOR UNDER 12s (Rumour)
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2012, 12:11:31 AM »

Post from British Cycling BMX board member on UK forum:

"At the Team Manager meeting in Valkenswaard this year, we backed a UEC proposition to UCI to ban clips for under 16's at World Champs. I've not heard that it will be effective at Birmingham"

Fresh rumours............UCI to ban clips for all riders under 17 within 3 years.......
Starts in 2013 with bans to under 14s...

Twitter statement from GB BMX council member


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« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2012, 01:49:00 AM »

Post from British Cycling BMX board member on UK forum:

"At the Team Manager meeting in Valkenswaard this year, we backed a UEC proposition to UCI to ban clips for under 16's at World Champs. I've not heard that it will be effective at Birmingham"

Fresh rumours............UCI to ban clips for all riders under 17 within 3 years.......
Starts in 2013 with bans to under 14s...

Twitter statement from GB BMX council member



Will love to see the reasoning behind this  Sad.

Kids have been riding track, road cycling and triathlon for decades from the day they start wearing clips. There's never been any talk about banning clips in those sports.
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Re: CLIPS TO BE BANNED FOR UNDER 12s (Rumour)
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2012, 08:39:48 AM »

Wont happen, it is a rider's choice and companies like Shimano would have something to say about it I imagine!
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Re: CLIPS TO BE BANNED FOR UNDER 12s (Rumour)
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2012, 02:23:24 PM »

Wont happen, it is a rider's choice and companies like Shimano would have something to say about it I imagine!

The following countries have already banned clips for junior riders:
- GB
- France
- UEC Euro champ rounds
- Canada


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Re: CLIPS TO BE BANNED FOR UNDER 12s (Rumour)
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2012, 03:26:16 PM »

Add Netherlands to country with rules for clips
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« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2012, 06:31:09 PM »

You only had to watch the Nationals from beside the front straight to understand that banning clips for kids would be the best thing for the sport.
In all age classes up to and including especially the junior women it was painfully obvious that most riders had spent their bmx lives on clips and had the disastrous riding position which results from it. Over the tops of jumps, backsides so far forward that the seat prevents them from soaking up the top of the jump with their legs - then the jump flicks them into the air so they can't get any pump off the back and start loosing speed.
The reason for this is that clips allow the rider to pull the bike after them over the top of jumps and to do that they bring their backside forward. This is a simple bad habit that riders develop very easily if they start riding on clips before the proper habits are established in their riding technique.
On flat pedals, a little pressure must be kept on the pedals at all times to prevent the riders feet from shifting on the pedals. This simply means that they cannot pull the bike over the jumps and they are very unlikely to develop the bum-forward habit.
The proper position with backside way behind the seat allows the legs to absorb more vertical movement and then push the bike down the backside of the jump. This position also allows the riders body to lay down along the bike and keep the overall centre of mass lower, conserving momentum.
I'm personally indifferent to the safety argument, I don't think I know anyone injured by being attached to their bike in a crash, and I suspect that is why other cycling disciplines have not banned clips.
Bring on the ban, the sooner the better.
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« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2012, 07:19:40 PM »

Bmx is already behind all other forms of cycling so banning clips is a step backwards. It is the coaching that is failing. I am yet to see a coach who teaches correct pedaling. Forget all the other things if correct pedal stroke is not taught at the beginning then it is often forgotten. The use of clips can help in this area.
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« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2012, 09:22:23 PM »

this should be brought in  with this years 8 year olds and younger and then progressively to the target year eg  this years 8 year old can run clips when they are... say eleven or something.  bringing in a blanket ban is silly, phasing it in the kids will accept it.
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« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2012, 02:25:08 AM »

Bmx is already behind all other forms of cycling so banning clips is a step backwards. It is the coaching that is failing. I am yet to see a coach who teaches correct pedaling. Forget all the other things if correct pedal stroke is not taught at the beginning then it is often forgotten. The use of clips can help in this area.
You are absolutely correct Hearnie, I notice correct pedaling is rarely taught by BMX coaches, and if is bought up it's a 3 minute thing then on to something else and never mentioned again.
Clips definitely help kids "get" the correct technical rotation. Removing clips is obviously a backward step.

There is a lack of information amongst BMX'ers about clipless pedals.
Problem is that those at the top of the BMX administrative chain don't understand clips and only hear of the negatives, and these mostly come from parents who have never ridden competitively and don't understand the mechanics of clipless pedals.
How many of the BMX administrators have actually ridden BMX or any other form of cycling for that matter.
I hear a few old school BMX'ers talking about the benefits of riding flats but after a bit of dialogue their argument always breaks down.

In my case I have ridden for over 30 years and know the positives and negatives of using clipless pedals.
I see around 50 kids riding BMX every month who have been using clips from around 5/6 years of age and I'm not aware of any of them developing any problems related to riding on clips.

With clipless pedals you "pedal in circles" using your hamstrings to lift through the back half of the pedal stroke and your quadriceps to push through the front half.
On platform pedals, nearly all of your power comes from pushing through the front half of the stroke. Your simply mashing down on only a portion of the pedaling cycle. This wastes energy because it's not being optimally used.
 
You convert much more power into the drive train when your connected with clips.   
An efficient spin is simply not possible without a binding between the shoe and pedal. An efficient spin allows a faster, smoother ride at lower intensity so you get greater yield from the energy expended. 

Clips are safer, a smoother ride at lower intensity results in much less chance of any type of stress or injury.
A kid who has ever crashed after losing contact with the pedal and slipping a foot to the ground during a ride does not have to be told about the benefits of a secure binding with the pedal.
This especially applies to BMX riders who can literally get bounced off the pedals riding a technical straight or landing a jump. We see that occur at every gate session and during racing. It's so easy to slip off a pedal and take out the riders next to you.

Ogro, banning clips isn't the answer, this has nothing to do with clips, the bum-forward habit is simply that, a bad habit, developed not from riding clips but laziness, you see them doing the exact same thing when riding flats ... a little bit of coaching teaching them the proper technique will get them out of that habit.


 
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« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2012, 06:33:21 AM »

Phasing it in and the kids will accept it is one thing but will the parents accept it?? I see far too many kids going onto clips early because there's a parental perception that their little Johnny or Mary won't be competitive or win without them. The parents ignore the fact that their kids need to develop other skills as well.

I sat through something like 450+ motos in Birmingham on the Thursday and noticed unclipped riders more than hold their own both in terms of speed and skill.
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