Wyndham Warriors Open

[Munchkin]

Wyndham Open online entry is now online. 

We started prepping the track 2 weeks ago, it will be completely resurfaced by the race meet. 

We have already tamed down the 1st jump, even i can go over it at speed now!! We will be taming down a couple of the others to remove any pointed peaks and make the track flow better!

For the Pro riders (AA, A, Pro Girls and Vet Pro)  remember your prize money is totally dependant on how many come along!  We are not keeping ANY of the pro entry money it is 100% pay back!!  Make sure you get onto everyone in your class and get them to enter, better racing and better prize money.

We are also 1st round of the Pro Tour 2012 and Junior State Series, all points count towards the Pro Cup or your VSS plate, don't let others get a break on you by missing our round!  Pro riders need to remember that the top 8 after the 5 rounds go into a 1 race shootout for an EXTRA prize pool. 

See you at the track!!!

[fletch]

Great to hear that the club is making the track more rider friendly, hopefully some other clubs might follow.

[Munchkin]

yes, i know what you mean, some of the tracks around at this moment are definately aimed at Pro Riders! 

Yet i suffered a set back to make are track more rider friendly when some of our members went to Mount Gambier on the long weekend and said it was harder than ANY of the World Titles tracks they have competed on!  1 is current 2W in 19-24 age class and he said he struggled!!!

[Tom]

I had a ride at the track on Tuesday and it is looking good!

As for some tracks being a bit too much, I think there are some exceptions where the riders need to adapt to the track and not build the tracks to suit the riders. For instance Knox's third straight is definitely suited to pro riders, but a heap of junior riders have lifted their game to give it a go and it's making other tracks like Bunbury seem a lot easier to get around.

Remember when everyone was complaining about Frankstons second straight? After a little while once riders adapted to it has only helped to make other interstate/overseas technical tracks seem like nothing!

I will be there for round 1 of the PRA series and I encourage everyone to get behind a great initiative!

[fletch]

I know where your coming from Tom, but you know some riders just like to have fun,

Steep, deep and lippy is not fun IMO.

[Munchkin]

I had a ride at the track on Tuesday and it is looking good!

As for some tracks being a bit too much, I think there are some exceptions where the riders need to adapt to the track and not build the tracks to suit the riders. For instance Knox's third straight is definitely suited to pro riders, but a heap of junior riders have lifted their game to give it a go and it's making other tracks like Bunbury seem a lot easier to get around.

Remember when everyone was complaining about Frankstons second straight? After a little while once riders adapted to it has only helped to make other interstate/overseas technical tracks seem like nothing!

I will be there for round 1 of the PRA series and I encourage everyone to get behind a great initiative!

Yet at Knox track attack, only the AA pro and a very few (maybe 5) A pro were jumping through, all other riders rolled through!  That does not make for exciting racing!

Frankston 2nd straight was also tamed down to make it flow better

[Greg]

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Yet at Knox track attack, only the AA pro and a very few (maybe 5) A pro were jumping through, all other riders rolled through!  That does not make for exciting racing!

Frankston 2nd straight was also tamed down to make it flow better

I think your coments about Knoxs third straight are a little bit unfair munchy. There was alot of exciting racing in every class on every straight at every track at track attack including Knox's third straight. as for frankston the second straight had not been mellowed. paul cockane lipped it right up again.

I have just read the conditions of entry for for the PRA racing. What happens if the classes cant be filled to the minimum numbers required, does that class get dropped? !

[Gordy]

Yes Greg, if their is insufficient riders to run a class, that class will be dropped. Riders will have the option to ride their Age class or a refund.

[Tom]

only the AA pro and a very few (maybe 5) A pro were jumping through

a bit like Wyndham?  haha

most of those A pro's at Knox were only 13 years old too (Freako, Matt White, Josh Mclean etc) and a lot more are lifting their game and getting through it. But hey, you cant build a track to suit everyone, thats why our last straight has small jumps on it for all to enjoy. 

[Greg]

AA Men at Track Attack struggled to get 16 riders including the interstaters and that offered reasonable prize money.
Maybe the minimum number requirement will have to be dropped or it will only  A pro men racing as they are the only class in Vic that can possibly fill thier quota. 

[Gordy]

Enforcing a Minimum Rider requirement? I don't know Greg, that's not a risk that a regional club like Geelong or Wyndham can afford to take. We just want riders and families to support the event. The only strategy that ensures strong riders numbers is big prize money and that doesn't always give great bang for your buck. We put up $4500 prize pool for the pro classes last year and we got 12 in Vet Pro, 25 in A Men, 11 in Pro Ladies and 12 in AA Men, healthy but not huge numbers in comparison to some metro clubs. Whilst we were very happy with the rider numbers $2500 for 12 riders in AA is a big investment for clubs and I can see why some clubs only offer 14+ classes. At Geelong we want to continue to drive the sport forward and want to encourage more riders to ride AA. Hence why we are committed to offering AA and A classes as well as Pro Ladies and Vet Pro. This is why we support the rollout of the PRA. So we have put the ball back in the court of the Pro Riders. We have a great track thats conducive to strong racing in all classes and a healthy prize pool. so we just hope that the riders hold up their end of the deal.

[Psykopath]

I can see why some clubs only offer 14+ classes.

Couple of events in 2011 where 14+ was offered:
- POP:               14+ 22 riders                             ($1000 Prize Pool)
- CA$H DA$H:    14+ 23 riders                             ($1000 + $20 Payback)

Not many A men made the main, therefore lower entries as reduced chance of getting some prize money.

In Vic opens are run to ARA recommended guidelines......so A men should get 33% of the published Prize pool.

For example at 2011 Helltrack:
- AA Men = 4 riders   $1000 Prize Pool ($42 entry.........$168 income)
- A Men = 13 riders     $400 Prize Pool ($37 entry........$481 income)             


WA does things differently.......WA Super Series payout the Top 16 in 14+
This is done by having A final and B final.

This means low numbers of AA riders get paid + top A riders can make more money.

By offering 14+ (and payback) with Top 16 payout there is a bigger pool for AA and more chance for As to win.
 

From Appendix 2 of the ARA Handbook:
"Prize money breakdown and Prize Pool Allocation for Open Money classes with finals are to be based on the recommended breakdown in Appendix 1 of the Australian Regional Procedures or host State guidelines. The event flyer is to contain all relevant information"


This is not applicable to all opens, which have good numbers of AAs (attracted by BIG $$$$$).

But a modified version could be adopted in Vic if BMXV approve relevant guidelines (e.g. if AA entries are less than 8 ).

Perhaps a review after PRA series is appropriate.

[Greg]

wow Graham you have way to much time on your hands.


i was only asking about the class minimums because it would be shame to see the series fall on its bum because of high expectations with attendance.

[Shane Jenkins]

I fully support what the PRA are trying to do, but I have to agree with Greg, the expected minimum number of riders is a big ask. I hadn't even seen them until today. WOW!

Going by numbers written down on a list is less accurate than going by historical numbers from previous years events.

It would be a shame to see it all fall apart at the first round, simply because expectations were set too high.

[Psykopath]

i was only asking about the class minimums because it would be shame to see the series fall on its bum because of high expectations with attendance.

It is my understanding that the Pro Tour numbers are a guideline to indicate potential prize pool and bonus pool.

Actual min AA and A class size is 5...from the flier:
"All Classes - 5 riders constitutes a class"



Note: BMXV Junior State Series min class size is 3 (IAW ARA).