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fletch
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Transponders
« on: June 18, 2012, 11:50:07 AM »

Just putting it out there, what's your thoughts??

From 2013 if you want to race in Vic you are expected to own your own transponder.

If not a charge of $20 per meeing to hire 1.

I am ok with it as I'm pretty sure I will only have 1 boy racing next year, but at $140 a pop I feel for familys who will have to fork out maybe with licence,club fees included $1000 before they even race.

Maybe some sort of family discount could be considered??

This has been on the cards for a few yrs now, I'ts nothing new .

What are other states doing??
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2012, 01:54:08 PM »

As a cross reference, WA introduced them six weeks before the first Super Series (state round) of the 2011/12 calendar season last August/September, which seen a bit of an uproar due to the announcement being made so close to the start of the season.

Everything smoothed out though and now it all works a treat, and the additional data offered by transponders gives the WA BMX community something back for their investment. (After each event BMXWA posts full results including lap times, as well as other reports such as fastest 50 laps, fastest 50 riders etc).

BMXWA charge $135 for the unit or $10 per event to hire. For every event you hire, half goes towards your purchase of the unit. Ie hire a transponder five times at $10 a round, and you will have $25 taken off of the price of the unit when you choose to purchase one outright.

I think its pretty fair but as always you can never please everyone.
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2012, 02:03:09 PM »

I think everyone should receive a Transponder with their BMX licence ... however not at anywhere near the current price.

We have owned ours for at least 18 months but it hasn't got close to paying for itself yet.
The main problem is that clubs, even though they are set up for transponders won't use them on open days in an effort to keep registration costs down.

Maryborough BMX club  used transponders this weekend at there open day. It was great to see the boys checking there moto times then working on how to go that little bit faster in the next moto.

Incidentally that was a great weekend of racing and the Maryborough track is now one of the best in the country. Way to go guys.
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2012, 06:16:04 PM »

I have owned my transponder for around 15months now & over the next 2 race meets it will have paid for itself.

I personally love being able to record my times on each track & have the ability to review them after each meet.  Its a great motivator to see that your times are dropping.

An example of them providing great data was at the Sa vs Vic meet this year.   I was involved in a race where the top 3 riders were seperated by 1/10th of a second.  2nd & 3rd place were seperated by 7/1000 of a second.  Sure they may not be perfect but people got a great laugh from seeing how close the results were by being able to log in live to check out the times.

It would be great to see some kind of payment plan option being offered for people who need it or have 3 people in a family racing etc.

The only extra that I would love to see is that transponders are used at club meets or training nights for people to get extra benifit from them as a training tool.

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Re: Transponders
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2012, 07:22:13 PM »

I like the sound of the payment plan that WA have, could this be a option for Vic??
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Re: Transponders
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2012, 07:23:41 PM »

Hi Cyclops,
I am glad you enjoyed Maryborough on the weekend.  I don't think anyone would have gone home saying they did not get enough riding.  The Gate Starts on Saturday were huge and when they wern't racing they were on the pump track.
You will find it is only Southern zone that is living in the 20th century and not using transponders for Open Days.  At the other 3 zones transponders are the norm.
I will personally keep pushing for transponders until it is normal for clubbies to be run with transponders.
By the way how many people actually use the eZeventing?  Is it worth having at Open Days?

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2012, 08:31:54 PM »

Hi Marty.

EZ Eventing is the best 3rd party system I have seen for getting almost live results.

The website is very well set up & you can jump onto the site at any time to review the past few years worth of data.

Its incredible to see how many people are logging on with i-phones & i pads or the windows equivilent smartphones at the track to get results when its used.

The only thing that Ezeventing does not seem to capture is a total list of entrants prior to a race.  It appears that some people still enter via the post instead of online

Russ

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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2012, 10:45:11 PM »

Have had one for a few years now and i reckon it paid for now with the saving if u race enough transponder events. Southern zone is lagging by not running them at their events, the parents and riders  would love the lap times and the results they provide. The track at Maryborough was top class Marty and the pump track the kids loved. Not sure why it was closed on Sunday but if it was from complaints then parents should get a reality check as it was a ride at your own risk thing and everyone who rode it knew that, so to keep riders off them was crap. Top marks with building it Marty.
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Re: Transponders
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2012, 11:25:37 AM »

EZ Eventing:
Is awesome: Take ya laptop to the track and check out the results and lap times live.
And if you’re not racing you can see what’s going on around the traps.

Transponders:
1) If a Grant was received from the State or federal government to purchase the transponders wouldn't you think that there would be a discounted rate involved??

2) Why is it we are paying up to $140 for one. Its a cash grab from riders and families? Huh

3) Those that provide them state "it's because of the cost", I question that as some MTB's clubs have them at a discounted rate of $85 for members and a standard $120 for non members.
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Re: Transponders
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2012, 12:52:11 PM »

Just putting it out there, what's your thoughts??

From 2013 if you want to race in Vic you are expected to own your own transponder.

If not a charge of $20 per meeing to hire 1.

I am ok with it as I'm pretty sure I will only have 1 boy racing next year, but at $140 a pop I feel for familys who will have to fork out maybe with licence,club fees included $1000 before they even race.

Maybe some sort of family discount could be considered??

This has been on the cards for a few yrs now, I'ts nothing new .

What are other states doing??
Any wonder participation numbers in Vic are low compared to other states. If this sport is to grow, bmxv needs to have a serious think about what a move like that will do. Decisions like that, only serve to put bmx racing further out of reach for kids and families. Grass roots sporting bodies should be making moves to make participation easier and cheaper. Why a need for a one hundred percent price rise on hiring fee's? Why can i buy a transponder cheaper from other sources? Why do i pay the same for a licence for my 9 year old as a AA pro rider? Why are numbers in Vic lower than say WA? All questions with the same answer if you ask me.
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Re: Transponders
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2012, 11:57:27 AM »

By the way how many people actually use the eZeventing?  Is it worth having at Open Days?
from Marty.
Hey Marty - surprised you guys didn't use eZeventing on the weekend.  What happened?  Brett
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2012, 05:27:04 PM »

I'm loving the use of Transponders in WA now.

Initially I was a critic as we didn't get huge notice & I had to buy 4 transponders (son & I both run 20" & cruiser & can't be bothered moving transponder from bike to bike).

Now with the introduction of Ezeventing it is great to be able to get lap & reaction times quickly & easily on my phone. Really helps you analyze your races.
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Re: Transponders
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2012, 06:49:45 PM »

Hi Brett,
The committee decided not to bother with eZeventing.  It sounds like it was missed.
I am about to order it for the Cane Toad & Mother.

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2012, 07:42:26 AM »

Hard to justify in NSW, I used one for the first time a couple of weeks ago at the Southlake Pre-titles, none of our open events use them, however I do believe that is changing,
And I would have to say after using transponders, they are great, seeing your results over the entire day is cool, times, placings, etc.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2012, 11:25:16 AM »

love the data that transponders can provide, like the WA idea of hire/buy deal. that is a good encouragement for riders.

I was surprised when challenge classes as worlds this year didn't run transponders, wiring was in place for elites. 

EZ Eventing - love it.  use it at events, saves crowding round boards/computers. and post event too
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